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GWdavid · Nov 12, 2006, 12:25 AM // 00:25

This is not a guide to starting a new ele but it is on the contrary, a request for a guide to building a new ele. I wanna know which campaign to start him with. I don't have Nightfall but go ahead and post stuff about Nightfall becaues there might be some nightfall owning viewers. Anyway i wanna know stuff like where to get good armour, what type of skills should i get, runes, weapons, and PvP builds. I wanna make this one of the best Ele threads on this site.....It will be hard but i think w/ the input of some veteran players and others so, this could very well help those in need of an ele such as me!!!

Dr Strangelove · Nov 12, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

Campaign: Whichever you like the most
Armor: Whichever fits your needs best, all the armors have their uses in PvP and PvE
Skills: As many as possible so you have as many builds available as possible
Runes: Those which fit your build the best
Weapons: Those which fit your build the best
PvP builds: It's really best if you make your own builds. Cookie cutters are never as effective as homemade builds.

Best of luck.

LightningHell · Nov 12, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

PvP builds: It's really best if you make your own builds. Cookie cutters are never as effective as homemade builds.

Wrong: Cookiecutters are always better than homemade builds when you have no PvP experience/only RA experience. However, as you grow as a PvPer, customizing your builds sometimes is beneficial.

Amok Affinity · Nov 12, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

hum, i'm generally against 'how you should play' guides but here's a tip or two.

don't stop at the gimmick, because there is no 'most effective' anything, no be-all end-all, no matter who tells you otherwise. when you start believing that crap you stop thinking and when you stop thinking you might as well be replaced by Sousuke. \m/

pingu666 · Nov 12, 2006, 03:38 PM // 15:38

remmber to use your existing chars to get some nice weapons for your new ele.

id go with a set of 20% cast 20% recharge offhand and wand from vasberg armour/luxon equivilent

maatu keep 15e -1regen offhand and wand, for pulling energy out of your arse trickery

staff with insightful head and +5al, or a wand with 5E above 50% health (weapon guy in bukdek byway has that wand)

pingu666 · Nov 12, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

for pvp you might fancy some energy hiding weapons

Dr Strangelove · Nov 12, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningHell

Wrong: Cookiecutters are always better than homemade builds when you have no PvP experience/only RA experience. However, as you grow as a PvPer, customizing your builds sometimes is beneficial.

Cookiecutters will generally work better when used correctly, but your average Joe Schmo won't know how to use the build, which can be especially painful with more complicated builds, like frenzy warriors. Usually when someone puts thought into their build, they understand how it works, and understand what to change when something goes wrong.

Thom Bangalter · Nov 12, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

If any character, especially an ele, needs an extra 5 energy from their wand/staff they're doing something wrong.

I use three weapon sets:
+5 energy sword of enchanting/halves skill recharge health +30 offhand
+5 sword of enchanting/+15 -1 health +30 offhand
Hale staff of enchanting (20/20 for whatever line you're in)

As far as armor, I think a good set to start out on is +10 armor while enchanted, or full +health armor.

I would reccomend, for the most part, running cookie cutter builds, especially in pve. A standard cookie cutter searing flames build will work better in Pve Than someone's double dragon/searing heat build.

Since you only have nightfall and phrophecies, I would reccomend starting in phrophecies, because ether prodigy is phrophecies only and it's one of the best elites in the game. Additionally, meteor shower is also phrophecies only, and another must-have skill for any pve ele. Factions offered very little for elementalists other than a way to gain energy while under tranquility, and a fire elite that was useful in HA until searing flames came out (starburst).

If I was just focusing on pve, and I just had phropecies and factions, I would run ether prodigy/heal party/glyph of sacrifice/meteor shower/rodgort's invocation/fireball/immolate/resurrection chant. Fireball and immolate give you things to spam in between rodgort's and meteor shower. I always glyph my meteor showers, and glyph+rez chant is the best rez in the game. My attributes on that bar would be 16 fire/10 energy storage/whatever is left in Healing.

Nightfall offers searing flames, in which case you just set up your bar to spam the skill as much as possible, since it's by far the best skill in the fire line.

Ensign · Nov 12, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

A newish player is not going to understand what he is doing well enough to design his own builds, thought or not. He is going to be orders of magnitude more successful, and learn a whole lot faster, by copying a staple 'good' build for what he's doing and learning why it's good.

Peace,
-CxE

Katari · Nov 12, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Cookiecutters will generally work better when used correctly, but your average Joe Schmo won't know how to use the build, which can be especially painful with more complicated builds, like frenzy warriors. Usually when someone puts thought into their build, they understand how it works, and understand what to change when something goes wrong.

A poorly used cookiecutter, when it comes to eles, will outpreform a poorly used bad build in PvP. If someonme can't fully grasp the concepts that would make them good with the cookiecutter build, what makes you think they could come up with an origional build that is productive?

$hade. · Nov 13, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

For PvP what I do is sometimes take a CC Build and twist it a little for my liking

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pingu666 · Nov 13, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

newbie would make his/her own build, it just probably wont be very good :/

i know some of mine where.. :S

Moa Bird Cultist · Nov 13, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

You can learn the easy way or the hard way. The easy way is to go fotm, play a build in to the ground until you can remember every single detail and then adjust it to your likes and dislikes. Of course, thats not much fun at all, imo, so I always choose the more difficult option of coming up with something mildly original, I mean, I have 2 million xp as an elementalist/warrior, so it's fairly obvious that I don't subscribe to the regular playing styles of an elementalist. What I'm saying essentially though, is your second profession should be something that gels well with the playing style you want to achieve. In my case, I play a close range warrior shut-down with sandstorm as my elite skill, so warrior is ideal for stances, blocking and healing, (plus wild blow, for the pesky kournan bowmen. xD )

Anyhow:

The campaign you start in will be the biggest factor over your playing style. If you choose Prophecies, you are left with little choice but to be a fire nuker early on and Meteor Shower will crop up once you get to Kryta. From there on out, you gain a little flexibility. As for elites, you have Ether Prodigy and the 'Mind' spells. Ether prodigy is neat, but I've never really digged it. But as they say, it's a matter of taste. One thing that should be immediately obvious however, is that if you choose prophecies, it will take much longer to get to those elites. In Nightfall, you can cap searing flames as soon as you're off the starter island, (I haven't - don't do fire.

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Anyway, as far as builds go, thats the extent of my rather limited wisdom. All I have left is my opinion on appearance...

Prophecies female eles have the best hairstyles, hands down, but Nightfall eles have many more colours available, including the mighty pink. If you're to make a male ele, there are good hairs from both campaigns, but my fave would be the NF hair withe gelled back spikes. As for armour, Ancient owns everything, but 99% of people will disagree with me on that.

Anyway, thats it...

stueyman2099 · Nov 13, 2006, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

A newish player is not going to understand what he is doing well enough to design his own builds, thought or not. He is going to be orders of magnitude more successful, and learn a whole lot faster, by copying a staple 'good' build for what he's doing and learning why it's good.

Peace,
-CxE

QFT

This is, IMHO, THE best way to learn to play the game, and it applies to both character and team builds.